Finally moved into the new house and have a little time for projects. Okay, there are still boxes all over the place, but priorities...!
After much hand-wringing and research I decided to shellac the 5E3. There's much dispute on the webternets over how this was done back in the day - some sources just say a couple coats of clear nitro, others say a coat of clear shellac first, then nitro. I'm leaning towards the latter camp, because apparently nitro can react with pine sap that can seep through tweed, and it can also react with the brown fibers in the tweed leading to a greenish color.
A lot of people like to add a couple coats of amber shellac to give it a fake aged look. I'm not going to be doing this, for the same reasons I don't take a belt sander to my guitars or pants.
My plan right now is a couple coats of clear shellac, if only because I'm sick of keeping this amp in a box to keep it from getting dirty. A coat or two of satin nitro lacquer is in the future, but for now shellac is a good start.
You can find dozens of walkthroughs online, but this guy gives good advice: http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/2549080-post1.html
For the shellac I went with Zinsser Seal Coat, which is a clear 2# cut of wax-free shellac. The first coat's drying right now. This stuff is incredibly easy to work with - goes on easy, dries fast, and if you mess up (knock on, well, tweed) you can fix your mistakes or even take it off entirely with denatured alcohol.
I've already got a bunch of "before" pictures so I'll be sure to post some "after" pictures too.
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Showing posts with label 5E3. Show all posts
Showing posts with label 5E3. Show all posts
Saturday, August 3, 2013
Sunday, March 24, 2013
Bodie & 5E3 Sound Clips
Mourning the loss of my laptop (not really; rot in hell you plastic monstrosity) I wasn't sure if I could still record digital audio, but it turns out I can!
The playing's not the greatest, but here are the first sounds from Bodie and a quick run through the 5E3.
For both of these I'm playing through an SX Tele '69 Thinline clone with Bill Lawrence Wilde L200 pickups; volume and tone all the way up and switch set to the middle position. Oh, and it's currently tuned to B standard with a custom set of 16-70 strings. Yeah, I know.*
The mic is an Audio-Technica snare drum mic approximately a foot away.
I start off messing with the "character" control, starting with it dimed and backing it down to zero over a few repetitions, just to show how powerful a real 'mids' control can be!
Later I try to demonstrate Bodie's touch sensitivity and I end with showing its (currently not very good) overdriven tone. Master is all the way up the whole time, which explains the OD tone somewhat, given the cathodyne PI and cathode-biased power tubes.
Still though, those cleans are killer.
You can catch a little of the "overdriven cathodyne frequency doubling" around 2:30. Kind of a neat effect, but I'm going to squash it. Who would've thought a 470k grid stopper would be too small?
The 5E3 is in a pine 5E3 cabinet, and the speaker is a Weber Alnico Sig 12S.
The only thing holding this back is the guy holding the guitar! I'm just playing around a little bit with the touch sensitivity and the interactivity of the controls. It's a stock 5E3, so there shouldn't be any surprises here.
I usually spend more time dialing in the best tone on this one, but this was just a quick demo. The mic doesn't really capture how bassy it sounds, even with a Tele. Still, I love this little guy with a Les Paul; don't know why, the blues just flow.
* .016, .018, .028w, .038, .050w, .070w. The F# string (the second one) is a little too slinky at .018" but not bad enough to buy the gauge I wanted separately... probably wound too. In standard tuning I usually play 13s but I'm not a nut about it for tone or anything, I just prefer the feel.
The playing's not the greatest, but here are the first sounds from Bodie and a quick run through the 5E3.
For both of these I'm playing through an SX Tele '69 Thinline clone with Bill Lawrence Wilde L200 pickups; volume and tone all the way up and switch set to the middle position. Oh, and it's currently tuned to B standard with a custom set of 16-70 strings. Yeah, I know.*
The mic is an Audio-Technica snare drum mic approximately a foot away.
Bodie
is played through a vintage EV SRO-12L in an open-back 1x12 cab which
is overall a neutral (LOUD) speaker with too much high end.
I start off messing with the "character" control, starting with it dimed and backing it down to zero over a few repetitions, just to show how powerful a real 'mids' control can be!
Later I try to demonstrate Bodie's touch sensitivity and I end with showing its (currently not very good) overdriven tone. Master is all the way up the whole time, which explains the OD tone somewhat, given the cathodyne PI and cathode-biased power tubes.
Still though, those cleans are killer.
You can catch a little of the "overdriven cathodyne frequency doubling" around 2:30. Kind of a neat effect, but I'm going to squash it. Who would've thought a 470k grid stopper would be too small?
The 5E3 is in a pine 5E3 cabinet, and the speaker is a Weber Alnico Sig 12S.
The only thing holding this back is the guy holding the guitar! I'm just playing around a little bit with the touch sensitivity and the interactivity of the controls. It's a stock 5E3, so there shouldn't be any surprises here.
I usually spend more time dialing in the best tone on this one, but this was just a quick demo. The mic doesn't really capture how bassy it sounds, even with a Tele. Still, I love this little guy with a Les Paul; don't know why, the blues just flow.
* .016, .018, .028w, .038, .050w, .070w. The F# string (the second one) is a little too slinky at .018" but not bad enough to buy the gauge I wanted separately... probably wound too. In standard tuning I usually play 13s but I'm not a nut about it for tone or anything, I just prefer the feel.
Sunday, March 10, 2013
5E3 Pictures
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| Raw cab; not a scratching post! |
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| So, I forgot to take a picture of the chassis with nothing installed. |
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| By the awesome power of reflection, I show you my heater wiring! |
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| Ceramic sockets. |
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| Above the board wiring instead of the traditional "sandwich" style. |
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| Populated board. |
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| PT progress. |
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| More PT progress. |
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| Input jacks and tone/volume controls. |
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| Closeup! |
I soldered on the underside of the board going for a better mechanical connection as that's where the leads fold over the lip of the eyelets.
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| Output sockets almost finished. |
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| PT almost finished. |
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| Controls mounted. |
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| Jacks. |
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| Mounted the board. |
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| DELICIOUS SPAGHETTI |
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| Output sockets done. I think? |
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| Ready to go! |
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| Preamp sockets. |
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| Output sockets totally done this time. |
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| Standby, Fuse, Power, Pilot. |
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| Pots all wired up. |
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| Jacks all wired up. |
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| Done! |
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| Done! |
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| Donnnnnne! |
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| Aw, yours goes to 11? That's cute. |
And dear god is this a sweet amp. I knew there was a reason why so many people build these but DAAAMN. I can't put the thing down.
I should measure the output on the 'scope. These are usually quoted around 12W which means it's too loud for bedroom playing but not quite loud enough for being onstage by itself. Of course, most venues have PA systems these days so being quiet isn't a problem.
Oh, and I guess I should mention the hiss/hum/buzz noise. There isn't any. There is some slight hiss when you turn the volume up past six - it's not the quietest build I've ever done but I think it's still impressively quiet. There are other things that could be done to kill the last little bit of his - shielded cable on that huge grid lead, grid stoppers, screen grid stoppers, actually shielding the back of the amp too but it's not really necessary.
Fun, fun little amp.
Saturday, March 9, 2013
5E3 Kit Build Done!
Okay, I know, I'm a bad blogger. Been weeks without an update and now an update without pictures. C'est la vie.
First the bad:
I did a few things differently from the stock build, but I left the circuit alone. Some things did pain me to leave out (no screen grid stoppers?! no grid stopper on the cathodyne?! freaking huge coupling & bypass caps all over the place?!) but it's a 5E3. By the time I got done with it, it would sound like a completely different amp - might not be a bad thing, but it wouldn't be a 5E3 anymore.
I did change the grounding scheme though, and I would have even if I had gotten the grounding plate. The stock grounding is just a terrible idea; sorry Leo.
The circuit only contacts the chassis at one point - the input jacks. Sure, they shouldn't be daisy-chained, but it's a tight fit getting three leads into those jacks' terminals. I might fix that at some point (sleeve of 1 to sleeve of 2, connect sleeves of 2 together) but it's so quiet as-is that I might not bother. Eh, it's going to bug me.
The output jacks are connected to the chassis, but they're isolated from the circuit by the output transformer, and there's no NFB. No current flow = no ground loop. If I had some isolated jacks lying around I would've used those. The main output jack is a switching jack, which helps if there's no speaker cord plugged in. Damn useless if there is a speaker cord plugged in on the amp side and disconnected on the cab side though. I'd prefer to use isolated jacks with a 470R/5W resistor across the terminals as "oh shit" protection.
Anyway -
The last main tweak I did is running all the wires above the eyelet board (but under the components.) It's a little uglier, sure, but it makes swapping components (and verifying connections) so much easier.
Wow would this be so much better with pictures. I'll update when I can find that stupid USB cable.
First the bad:
- The cab came with some glue overspray on the bare pine, locking in someone's pencil markings. I guess I could sand this off but I don't really see the point.
- The box joints are cut too deep on one corner so they don't mount flush - you can see some gaps on the inside. The outside is smooth even through the tweed, so I'm assuming it looks fine on the outside.
The kit was missing the brass grounding plate. I wasn't going to use it for grounding, but it would've helped assembly somewhat. Customer service was very responsive when I was considering upgrading my cab, but I haven't been able to get them to return my emails since.UPDATE: I have since received the brass grounding plate. Looks like these folks are just super busy.- The pilot light holder fell apart almost immediately. The fuse holder does look cheap (the two biggest caveats of these kits) but it's holding up fine. I bought a replacement but I don't see a need to swap it in yet.
- One of the chicken head knobs was chipped and missing its setscrew.
- The eyelet board was shipped loose inside the chassis (despite everything else being wrapped in foam) and scraped up the inside of the chassis a bit. The scratches are under where (heh) the eyelet board is mounted, so whatever.
- The cap over the speaker's magnet came off during shipping and was rolling around. There was no damage.
- The sheet metal screws for mounting the eyelet board to the chassis apparently aren't self-tapping, or if they are I did something wrong. I know this is how it was done Back In The Day, but I just used #6 machine screws with nuts for a more secure connection.
- The ceramic octal sockets aren't great. The plastic standoffs were too thick so with them installed the socket couldn't be secured to the chassis. One of the pins just up and fell out of an octal socket - one of the four you need for the 5Y3. I replaced it with an adjacent unused pin.
- The chassis face is really shiny; the stainless took a good polish and the outside of the chassis is impeccable.
- The cab is sturdy, with no rattles or vibrations.
- The chassis mounts well in the cab.
- Everything functions as it should, the component values were all correct, and the tubes are fine.
- The speaker sounds great. In fact, the whole amp sounds great. That's kind of a given with a proven design, but it's the most important criterion, so there you go.
- The cost is right. If I could've swung another couple hundred I would've avoided a few headaches, sure, but at my budget I'll take the headaches. It's like I got paid to get frustrated!
I did a few things differently from the stock build, but I left the circuit alone. Some things did pain me to leave out (no screen grid stoppers?! no grid stopper on the cathodyne?! freaking huge coupling & bypass caps all over the place?!) but it's a 5E3. By the time I got done with it, it would sound like a completely different amp - might not be a bad thing, but it wouldn't be a 5E3 anymore.
I did change the grounding scheme though, and I would have even if I had gotten the grounding plate. The stock grounding is just a terrible idea; sorry Leo.
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| Not super helpful in grey, but I can't convince Paint that this is actually a color picture. Ignore the heater wiring and ground switch. |
The circuit only contacts the chassis at one point - the input jacks. Sure, they shouldn't be daisy-chained, but it's a tight fit getting three leads into those jacks' terminals. I might fix that at some point (sleeve of 1 to sleeve of 2, connect sleeves of 2 together) but it's so quiet as-is that I might not bother. Eh, it's going to bug me.
The output jacks are connected to the chassis, but they're isolated from the circuit by the output transformer, and there's no NFB. No current flow = no ground loop. If I had some isolated jacks lying around I would've used those. The main output jack is a switching jack, which helps if there's no speaker cord plugged in. Damn useless if there is a speaker cord plugged in on the amp side and disconnected on the cab side though. I'd prefer to use isolated jacks with a 470R/5W resistor across the terminals as "oh shit" protection.
Anyway -
- there are no ground currents rippling around through the chassis, so it's acting as a shield.
- The input jacks are grounded to the first stage's cathode resistor - it would be better to have the filter cap right here, but whatcha gonna do.
- The tone/volume controls are grounded to the next stage's cathode resistor, as they act as its grid leak.
- All the grounds on the filter caps are connected together, and the PT center tap goes right to the negative terminal of the first filter cap.
- This chassis comes with a welded bolt intended for use as a ground point. I instead used it as the earth ground connection, which normally builders wedge between the PT and the chassis on one of the PT bolts, which is a bad idea - understandable in a vintage amp where you don't want to drill new holes, but in a new build it's a no-brainer.
The last main tweak I did is running all the wires above the eyelet board (but under the components.) It's a little uglier, sure, but it makes swapping components (and verifying connections) so much easier.
Wow would this be so much better with pictures. I'll update when I can find that stupid USB cable.
Thursday, January 31, 2013
Weber 5E3 Kit
Okay, so I just placed my order for a 5E3 kit from Weber. If I could've swung the extra couple hundred I would've pieced it together myself from various suppliers, and that's what I'd do if I were building this just for sale. I'll probably gig with this for a while and keep an open sale/trade offer up on craigslist. If there's a demand for these maybe I'll crank 'em out, who knows.
It'll be a few weeks before it gets here, but I'll post build pics as I go. Since there's a possibility I'll sell it, I'm going to keep it stock, though I'll probably use a grounding scheme similar to Ceriatone's.
Here's a clip from the soundtrack that finally sold me on making one of these (though Neil's is decently far from stock):
Mmm, sweet blocking distortion.
It'll be a few weeks before it gets here, but I'll post build pics as I go. Since there's a possibility I'll sell it, I'm going to keep it stock, though I'll probably use a grounding scheme similar to Ceriatone's.
Here's a clip from the soundtrack that finally sold me on making one of these (though Neil's is decently far from stock):
Mmm, sweet blocking distortion.
Monday, December 31, 2012
On the bench
It looks like it's going to take a while for me to post details of everything I'm working on, but here's a quick list:
And if $600 falls in my lap from the heavens I'm thinking about throwing together a 5E3 just for fun, maybe flip it for a tiny profit that I'd roll into future amp parts.
- Stromberg-Carlson AU-36B (100W beast)
- Bogen CHB-35A - 30 W of glory, if I can ever settle on a schematic. Planning on making this my main gigging amp.
- Crate GT50 Stealth - Combo with 4x6V6 output section and a fried PT. Might try to avoid point-to-point for this one. Probably going to be a classic Marshall, like a 4010 or 4001.This one I'd likely be willing to sell.
And if $600 falls in my lap from the heavens I'm thinking about throwing together a 5E3 just for fun, maybe flip it for a tiny profit that I'd roll into future amp parts.
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